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Postby Biggy » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:27 pm


Uh-oh, Gary mentioned THAT contest again. Funny, too ... The winners are about to be announced.

I sense another UNCONTEST coming ... LOL :D
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Postby Gary Martin » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:17 pm


People here in NJ who are members of the NJLHS can submit photos this coming weekend to the NJLHS' "photo contest" which they note in The Beam, isn't a "photo contest" in a technical sense but rather in a popularity sense. Does that make that an UNcontest? They also comment in The Beam that anyone who sells photos is excluded from the contest, which is as it should be. That rule was in place last year and there were some photos submitted by folks who do offer photos for sale that won in various categories. It will be interesting to see if that rule is enforced this year.

As for the LH Digest photo contest -- personally I'm not contributing to Tim Harrison's stock photo library. I personally have had one of my images that was submitted a number of years ago used in the pages of LH Digest with no photo credit, which frankly is unacceptable IMHO.

As for an UNcontest here, start one if you're so inclined, David :!:
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Postby Biggy » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:56 pm


Funny, Gary, that you'd mention the NJLHS not-so-much-of-a-photo-contest "photo contest." I was reading that in The Beam last week and was hysterical over the spiel Cindy Mitzen wrote up.

Here's a good excerpt from Cindy's briefing ... "This is a fun 'lighthouse' photo contest, not a 'photo contest.' "

And then the very next sentences ... "The best technical picture may not place because our photos are judged by the general membership. And we all know lighthouse people look at lighthouse photos differently than the rest of the world."

So, let me get this straight ... The NJLHS calls this contest a "photo contest" but it's not a "photo contest," just a "voting contest?"

And since it's not a "photo contest," I guess the other two references make perfect sense, since nobody apparently is voting on the photos based on technical merit like they would be in a true "photo contest," because it is simply a "fun" contest.

And I guess I'm not a lighthouse person ... because when I look at a lighthouse photo, I don't see it differently than the rest of the world, apparently because I know what a technically sound photo looks like? Wouldn't it be just the opposite? I tend to believe somebody going on technicalities of a photo to be looking at it differently than the rest of the world, because most people don't know what makes up a technically sound photo.

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Going by this, Cindy would have us believe that a true photographer can't be a lighthouse person. And even if you're an amateur photographer, you can't be a lighthouse person, because even amateur photographers should know what a technically sound photo looks like.

Perhaps next year, the NJLHS can name this contest the "Not really a photo contest because it's going to be judged by people who know nothing about technically-good photos contest." LOL :lol: :lol:
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Postby Biggy » Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:01 pm


Just to clarify ... I do understand where Cindy is coming from in her Beam report. She's simply trying to explain to people why professional photographers (i.e. those who sell their work for profit) can't enter.

But seriously, she didn't have to go into the spiel of it being a "fun" contest and not a "photo contest" and all that other stuff. She could have simply left it at "if you sell your work, you are a professional and cannot enter."
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Postby Hersh » Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:05 pm


Wow, the whole thing sounds a bit confusing to me....
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Postby Rob143 » Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:12 pm


I'll be there Saturday, but none of my photos will be accompanying me for inclusion in this "contest". I thought about it, and decided not to bother. I equally won't be entering any of them in any LD contests. My submission of a photo does not give you ownership and express rights to use it in any way you see fit. If those are the rules I'll gladly keep my work and let others play. I've seen Gary's work. That cover, albeit a cover, did not do his work justice. He mentioned they previously used a shot of his inside the catalog without any mention of whose work it was. I would have been unhappy with that ommission, and would have left them know so. That said, I think I'd be even more upset with them FOR INCLUDING my name with a photo they clearly made no attempt to do justice to.

I look forward to seeing what is submitted this year though. I also look forward to seeing if the rules, and the spirit of the "contest", are honored this year by contributors instead of ignored for self gratification.

I think this also gives me a great opportunity/excuse to be in that part of the world for sunrise and see what a 400 5.6 with a 1.4TC will do on the Twin Lights from the road below. I know a 300 on a film body was pretty unspectacular. Maybe the full frame equivalent of almost 900 will be close to enough to do it justice.
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Postby Pharoslvr » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:56 pm


Gary, I totally agree with you re: those railings! I have a feeling that the NPS was probably pressured by O.S.H.A. to put them up, or face some stiff fines. It only takes a complaint or two by some tourist to get those guys to start flexing their muscles and exert their authority.

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Postby Rob143 » Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:35 pm


Pharoslvr wrote:Gary, I totally agree with you re: those railings! I have a feeling that the NPS was probably pressured by O.S.H.A. to put them up, or face some stiff fines. It only takes a complaint or two by some tourist to get those guys to start flexing their muscles and exert their authority.

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I'm going to have to say that OSHA couldn't possibly have any jurisdiction over that walkway. I'd be more inclined to think it was whiny tourists who got their little toes wet and didn't like it. I haven't been there since it was changed, but from the pictures I'd have to say they made a terrible choice in the changes they made. For my money they didn't even need the walkway that was previously there. A stone dust walkway, or none at all, would have been just fine by me. For those who didn't like getting their toes wet I only have one question. What were you doing on a small island surrounded by water then?
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Postby rocky5128 » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:20 pm


That cover shot did your picture no justice. Thanks for showing what it actually should look like. It makes a person think twice about entering a contest after reading posts like these.

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Postby Grover1 » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:24 pm


... especially entering it more than once ... year after year ... again and again ... :wink:
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Postby Rob143 » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:26 pm


Grover1 wrote:... especially entering it more than once ... year after year ... again and again ... :wink:


Inside joke I presume?
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Postby Grover1 » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:24 pm


Nah ... just an observation

These discussions peak twice a year, just like the arrivial of the equinoxes (equini?) ... in October, when the LHD contest is announced (althought I think it was a little later this past year) and April, just prior to the announcements ...

Me ... I just believe there are contests that are meant to be taken seriously ... like the Nikon contest Gary once described ... and where his "purple thing" I liked so much placed

... and there are contests that are to be taken at face value ... whether for the entertainment and enjoyment of a circle of people (like the NJLHS event) ... or to build a stockpile of photographs (like the LHD contest).

... and mind you, this isnt to denigrate the quality of the submissions ... they have been spectacular ... and I am proud to say I know, or know of, many of the submittees ... this is only to point out what I perceive the point of the contest is ...

... and its when we apply the most critical of standards to contests that dont aspire to those goals, well, the results are often the bi-annual threads that appear every fall and spring ...
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Postby Biggy » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:49 pm


I knew Barry would have a comical take on it ... :lol:

And Rob ... I have no idea what the inside joke was, either! 8)

Perhaps I'm going off the deep end with this, but there is one thing that baffles me about the NJLHS photo whatever-you-want-to-call-it ... If the judging is not done based on the technical merits of a particular photo, why can't professionals enter?

On the basis that Cindy described in The Beam, the professionals who sell their work wouldn't stand a chance anyway. LOL :wink:
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