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Currituck County Has Now Decided to Erect a Fence

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Postby vacastle » Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:39 pm


In the Daily Advance today...Currituck County officials have decided to erect a fence and file a lawsuit in their efforts to make OBC, Inc. and Currituck Beach Lighthouse comply with county zoning ordinances.

The fence will essentiallly cut off the lighthouse from county owned rest room facilities ( excuse me, but didn't OBC, Inc help pay for those facilites to be erected in the first place????) and county owned parking.

OBC,Inc. believes the lighthouse is exempt from the County's ordinances because their lease predates the county's adoption of those ordinances.

Read on, folks. I'm reading this, and shaking my head again. I shortened a very long URL:
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Postby Larry » Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:08 pm


Did they get a permit to build that fence?
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Postby Pharoslvr » Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:29 pm


O.K. Raleigh....its time to stand and be counted! Enough is enough! :evil:

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Postby Zachary » Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:56 pm


"We need to protect the interests of those facilities," Martin said.

What a bunch of bull****
They're bathrooms, do they care who uses them? The only reason they're putting up that fence is because it's their last feeble, pathetic attempt to win this thing.
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Postby Paul » Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:17 am


8O Even The Daily Advance who are not exactly on OBC's side in this dispute had this to say about the fence:


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By proposing to erect this fence, however, Currituck has lost the high ground in the impasse over the lighthouse. Commissioners need to walk — make that run — away from this very bad idea.
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Postby Gary Martin » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:17 pm


Maybe it's time for the OBC to file suit to recover their contribution to the restrooms that visitors to the lighthouse will no longer be able to use so that those funds can be put to use elsewhere?

Just when you think that the Currituck County Commissioners couldn't possibly stoop any lower, they manage to find a way to do so :!:
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Postby COTA » Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:16 pm


Oh, my,.... [-( Currituck County is just full of it! I'm planning on visiting the area soon with my dad. It'll be interesting to see the atmosphere, and I am sure it will be very displeasing to my eye. ONLY, in theory of LAUGHTER, I wonder what Currituck County would do if we moved the lighthouse station out of there!! Wonder what they would stoop to then?

In reality, I truly hope OBC, INC. is able to kick their butts in the end!! I know that'll be the day!

I for one do not care one bit for that county, not that I ever did, except for the lighthouse and grounds.
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Postby plebetkin » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:39 am


this battle is not going away. The Commissioners have entrenched their position, whether from fees to be collected or stubborness over control, and there seems to be no chance to alleviate this outside of court. Too bad!
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Postby Grover1 » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:33 am


Gone the weekend and I return to this ...

First thought was that no fence is going to stop a "lighthouse" person who wants to see the light from going to see the light. No lack of parking ... no private property signs ... no lack of facilities ... no man made restrictions whatsoever, in my experience, keeps the "lighthouser" from visiting.

However, the tourist is another question ... what's he/she to do when confronted by this ... I think he/she turns and walks away ... and that is the shame in all this ... that the beauty and history and lore ... especially at this station, will go unvisited.

When one side has the deed and the other side has the power, I guess we can only hope that when the absurdity of the situation rises (or, depending on perspective, lowers) itself to such a level as a segregating fence ... then higher powers need to step in and resolve it.

The second thought, though, was I'm sure this fence is a costly endeavor and not appropriated for in the county budget ... where is this money coming from and how does it get earmarked ... it must also have to conform to any number of building and environmental codes ... if this is really going forward then some kind of public airing on this expenditure will have to be held ... that could be the forum to make the uncaring locals we always speak of start caring how their tax dollars are at work ....

The third thought is, unless it is a storm fence, if it is going to a permanent structure, then it should be a long time in its completion ... sad to say, plenty of time for injunctions and other court action. If Mr Wilson truly has acted on advice from the State AG, then no one is going to build a fence contrary to those findings until hearings can be held ...

Judy, thanks for posting this article ... I just can't leave you guys alone for a weekend, can I ... and, as Peter said, "this battle is not going away."

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Postby wheland » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:34 am


"The majority of Currituck's voters live on the mainland and are mostly farmers, and the County officials look out for the farmers. These people are busy with their daily lives of farming, and know the lighthouse is there, but probably don't give it much thought.

But wouldn't it be great if we could really find a fix for this crap that has been going on far too long!

Judy "

The above was posted on the HLCF but it applies here also.

I was going to post something very similar to this.

We in the Lighthouse Community are looking at this situation with blinders. We only see what the elected officials are doing in reference to the Lighthouse and nothing else.

The people in the county have more pressing needs and probably only give an afterthought to the Lighthouse situation. they may see it as a minor or even an unimportant issue in their grand scheme of things.

I have a similar situation with my local Congressman. I disagree with his position on one very important issue but I continue to support him for reelection every time for two basic reasons- he takes very good care of his constituents in other matters of more direct concern and the other party never puts up a credible candidate to oppose him.

It's very difficult to get people to oppose someone simply for a single issue when the rest of the issues are dealt with in a manner they feel is positive.

It could very well be the case in Currituck County.

All that said- there sometimes comes a point when the reaction to specific issues from the outside can make people decide that the balance has been tipped.

It's for this reason that the Lighthouse Community at large must keep up the pressure for a final resolution to the stupidity being practiced. The people of Currituck County must be made aware that they are not being respected elsewhere for tolerating this situation.

The state needs to do more to help resolve this as does the Feds. It is obviously not going to be done on the very local level. The way to do this is to continually agitate those in positions of power. Keep those cards, letters and e-mails going until they get the message.

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Postby Grover1 » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:11 pm


Dennis,

It would appear that we are in agreement on many of your points.

Reading your last paragraph ...

... The Feds have already ruled ... the OBC has title to the lighthouse ...
and as a matter of fact until this foray, last we heard was that the county suggested buying the lighthouse from the OBC. That suggests ownership to me.

... I would expect the state to stay out of what is essentially a local matter until their proverbial backs are against the wall ... no good precedent can come from state intervention ... until state law is contravened, I would expect no help in that venue.

... We have already seen that compromise is not an alternative ...

... That would leave the courts. If, as we agree, that the locals only view this as a passing matter, it then becomes a lighthouse matter. I would expect as the Federal Government has already ruled in many ways, in many reviews, and on many levels, that no court ... local, state, or Federal ... will go against these findings. Precedent has been set and not likely to be reversed.

... Hence (and I love saying hence) we have these illogical thrusts by the county ... first with the ordinances .. then with the purchase ... now with the fence ... This harassment appears to be the one way the County can hope to win ... by staying within their purvey and pelting the OBC over and over and over with this inane insanity.

... It would appear, however, that the resolve of the OBC is strong. It hasnt folded under these tactics. I'm betting future actions yield the same results.

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Postby COTA » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:59 pm


Barry...Can I say that I am praying and betting, also, in the same sentence? Based on the Federal rulings previously, I've also thought that they couldn't go against that.

There's a tune in my head, now...something like.."We fired our guns and the British kept a coming...." 8O Don't ask where that came from!
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Postby vacastle » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:20 am


HA! The Whalehead Preservation Trust is not too happy about this fence either!
"This is inconsistent with our site plan,” said Ralph Webster, chairman of the Whalehead Preservation Trust. “We never foresaw a fence.” The lighthouse, owned by Outer Banks Conservationists, draws 80,000 to 100,000 visitors annually while the Whalehead Club draws about 20,000. The lighthouse is the star attraction, Webster said.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=82164&ran=192767 By JEFFREY S. HAMPTON, The Virginian-Pilot © February 15, 2005

A fence cut cut down the number of vistors to the Whalehead Club drastically!

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Postby plebetkin » Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:38 pm


We’re just protecting our interests,” Martin said. “They’re just going to have to provide their own services. I don’t see why everyone is so upset about a fence.”


Isn't that the crux of the matter, "protecting our interests." It's no longer a matter of compromise and resolution; it's a matter of entrenchment and win no matter the cost.

Barry, I agree with most of what you write, but I think the County will try to have the fence in place before tourist season. It's their mode of operation to be stinkers at all cost
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Postby OBC, Inc. » Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:57 pm


The Daily Advance has a pretty active forum that has really been going back and forth. It is known that at least 3 Currituck County commissioners read that forum daily. Suppose they post under assumed names if they post at all. Ralph Webster from the Whalehead Club is posting to help clear up any questions. Take a look... :whistle:

http://www.dailyadvance.com/comm/conten ... forum.html
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