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Prices Creek Revisited

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Postby Zachary » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:27 am


Hi everyone!
A few years ago I started a thread about the possibility that the Prices Creek Lighthouse had been raised a bit and the common consensus was that I was wrong, I recently found evidence that supports my theory and I thought I'd restart this debate.
The evidence comes from the book "Lighthouses of the Carolinas: A Short History and Guide" by Terrance Zepke, I took a screencap of the excerpt from Google Books:
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This photograph by Stephen Wilmoth (beachbum1616) also clearly shows a variation of the bricks near the top of the tower
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where the part under the arrow more accurately portrays this size tower
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we know it as this:
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Where you can clearly see that it is raised and the top of the tower is squared, not rounded as the postcard shows.
Since the latter picture has a railing and ladder attached to the tower, as does my other picture from this time, I can only imagine that this was not done to raise the light but probably to use as a lookout tower (perhaps during a war) and the metal pole probably wasn't a chimney or, as popular theory states, a lens pedestal (which doesn't make sense because it's not centered on the tower), but possibly a support for a telescope to watch the river. I eliminate the possibility of it being a chimney simply because from inside the tower there is no room for a stove and no visual evidence that there ever was one.

Please discuss....
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Postby ericlighthouse » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:40 pm


You may be right.

P.S. Love that last picture. Is that from the book?
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Postby Zachary » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:00 pm


Yes it is, it's circa 1960-ish
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Postby Zachary » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:33 am


Here are some other old pics of Prices Creek that I have:
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Another from the 60s

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UnDated photograph from "Endangered Lighthouses" by Tim Harrison and Ray Jones

Rear Range light:
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Undated Lighthouse Digest photograph

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Undated photograph, I think this was taken in the 60s though when the other two with the girls were.

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An old sketch, again from "Lighthouses of the Carolinas: A Short History and Guide"
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Postby beachbum1616 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:38 am


Don't forget that Brent did a drawing according to the building plans. I have a copy of them around here somewhere :-k .

http://beachbum.homestead.com/Lighthous ... Creek.html

I just wish I could go explore the woods around the lighthouse and see what ruins may be around from the old rear range light.
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Postby Zachary » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:51 am


Actually, in RE to the Rear Range light, the book states that it was dismantled after it was ruined and used to build a house in Southport, nothing exists of it in it's former location.
As for Brent's drawing, I remember when he first did it and you posted it on here, he said his only reference was the 2nd picture I have posted of it (the one that says "The Old Lighthouse" on it), it seems that one side of the rear range may not have had a sloped roofline, where Brent's drawing shows it as having it slope on all 4 sides, this tricky lighthouse! So much mystery shrouded in it, I wish there were more photographs available of it...

What I really want to know is if any ruins exist of the other river beacons that existed on the Cape Fear river, there isn't much saying what happened to them except that they were destroyed, which might mean that ruins still exist (For example: Frank's Island Lighthouse in Louisiana was destroyed but at low tide you can still see piles of bricks from the tower)
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Postby Pharoslvr » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:19 am


You're right. It would appear that one side of the roof had a 'gable' design while the other side was a 'hip' roof. (very unusual for that type of architecture). I had never seen that 2nd photo before (titled: Undated Lighthouse Digest Photograph). Bruce Roberts e-mailed me a copy of the photo where is shows the structure collapsed, and he said that as far as he and Cheryl knew, that was the only one they had seen when they researched it several years ago. I'm sure they'll be interested in seeing what you've found.
I may have to modify my rendering, somewhat, but that won't be a problem. Another thing I notice from the included 'sketch' was that it shows the wooden stairs going directly to the front door, whereas, I had to make an 'assumption' that there was a small landing at the top. Interesting!!
I agree, Stephen, it would be pretty neat to be able to go back there and research the ruins. I'm almost positive that there's got to be some loose brick in that area. I've got a 'transit' that could be set up on the top of the front range-light and shoot a straight line back (level) to where the ground elevation rises (if it could get through the trees and undergrowth), then pace off +/- 6, 7, 800 feet, or more, and possibly find it, that way.
If only we could get some authorization from the owner's, that would be quite a 'find!'

Thanks, Zachary!
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Postby Zachary » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:34 am


It would be great if ADM allowed you to do that, it would be even better if you found out that the rear range tower was standing as the ruins photo shows and everybody just forgot about it, but that probably wouldn't happen....
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Postby Rob143 » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:31 pm


Pharoslvr wrote:I agree, Stephen, it would be pretty neat to be able to go back there and research the ruins. I'm almost positive that there's got to be some loose brick in that area. I've got a 'transit' that could be set up on the top of the front range-light and shoot a straight line back (level) to where the ground elevation rises (if it could get through the trees and undergrowth), then pace off +/- 6, 7, 800 feet, or more, and possibly find it, that way.
If only we could get some authorization from the owner's, that would be quite a 'find!'


Do we know where the rear light set in relation to the front light? By that I mean what compass direction.


Zachary wrote:It would be great if ADM allowed you to do that, it would be even better if you found out that the rear range tower was standing as the ruins photo shows and everybody just forgot about it, but that probably wouldn't happen....


I've been looking at satellite images and am not seeing anything that might be those ruins, but that's why I'm wondering about exactly where it should be to narrow down what we're looking at.
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Postby Zachary » Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:02 pm


You aren't seeing it because it honestly is probably not there, the book stated that the bricks from the ruined rear range lighthouse were reused to build a house in Southport, while there may still possibly be remains of the rear range light I highly doubt you'd be able to see them in Google Earth, especially with all the trees in the area.
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Postby Zachary » Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:27 pm


Here's the original post but I remember there being more to it, what happened to the rest of the thread I wonder: http://lighthousing.net/modules.php?nam ... highlight=
I remember discussion about the way the old method of photography made the tower seem shorter etc.......weird...
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Postby Pharoslvr » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:04 pm


If the channel has remained pretty much in tact it wouldn't be difficult to use the transit to [first off] align the front tower to the incoming channel then do a 180 degree turn with the transit. Second, shoot a line directly into the wooded area. One man would be constantly at the transit directing the second person [the groundsman] in a straight line and plant marking poles, at say, every 100 feet.
It would be relatively easy to do IF the undergrowth can be dealt with. Third, once the person walking the line has set (say) 10 staubs (markers) then the person up on the front range light could come down off the top and assist the groundsman.
I used to do it all the time when I was verifying metes and bounds in some pretty rugged terrain, here, in Virginia.
The 'key' to this endeavor would be the present vs. past channel location.
If it is pretty much the same [give or take] then we would have 2 'points' to work off of in establishing the alignment towards the 3rd point....i.e., the Rear Range Light.
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Postby ericlighthouse » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:00 pm


Does anybody know where the other river lights were? It might be easier to find ruins on the other properties.
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Postby Zachary » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:10 pm


I certainly don't, maybe someone in that area has access to old maps....
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