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Postby Kevin vk2ce » Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:13 pm


Russ Rowlett is on the ball with some brief news of tsunami damage to lighthouses in the affected areas.

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/news/tsunami.htm

Thanks Russ. It seems nothing is safe from those huge waves.
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Postby COTA » Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:20 pm


Thanks for the news Kevin. Horrific tragedy.
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Postby Leah Loar-Mays » Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:22 pm


I've seen so much news about lighthouses being severely damaged or destroyed, but couldn't find any "after" photos. Maybe it's just as well. :(
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Postby plebetkin » Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:24 pm


it's bad enough that the lighthouses are damaged. However, the loss of life supersedes this. What a horrible disaster.
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Postby Larry » Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:50 pm


Although it is a horrible loss to lose any lighthouse, they can be rebuilt. They are simple brick & mortar.

The loss of the lives is simply horrific. They can't be rebuilt. :cry:
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Postby cawteener » Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:56 pm


That truely was a great tragedy. It really makes you stop and think about how anything could happen to change your life dramatically at any moment. It makes me thankful to have the family and loved ones here that I do.
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Postby plebetkin » Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:29 am


large numbers often don't mean anything unless one can relate something specific to them. I heard this morning that the death toll is nearing 200,000. That's twice the entire population of the town where I grew up! Was it the Rush Limbeau show yesterday that quoted someone as saying that this catastrophe is approaching biblical proportions? It's too bad that Senator Joseph Lieberman's legislation to build world-wide monitors for tsunamis is coming after such a loss of life, that it takes a disaster to motivate the development of safety equipment.
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Postby Ross » Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:48 am


It always happens that way Peter. Look at the airports and such now since 9/11. It's still a very reactive society, especially when billions of dollars are more of a concern than thousands of lives, of course, until something like this happens.

I remember the first information that came in about the disaster, the toll was at 3,300 lives or something like that. Now it's 200,000, which would be biblical in my opinion, also. That's 3x the population of the town I grew up in, and I thought that was a lot of people.

On a lighter note, they had a young man on the news last night that went out with cans the other day, collecting money for tsunami aid, and he collected some $16,000 in two or three days (or some large amount around that). Sandra Bullock also donated $1,000,000 to relief funds as well, very commendable when you really put it in perspective. That's quite a bit of money.
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Postby Grover1 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:46 am


Peter ... Ross

Perhaps one way of looking at it is that humans cannot prepare for what they cannot conceive ...

Ross, you used 9/11 as an example ...

I don't know that I like the "Biblical" analogies becasue the logical extension of that will be to call into question HIS wisdom ... and that's a discussion for far greater minds than mine and far different forums ...

We have enough trouble trying to rationalize man's inhumanity to man ... when we try to comprehend the forces of nature, we are all relgated to the smallness of our place in the universe ...

I mean, the Earth's rotation was altered by this seizmic event ...

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Postby Ross » Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:01 am


You certainly can't prevent the deaths, but you can spend some money on warning systems that give a better chance than not knowing at all.

I mean biblical in the sense of death toll size. I have no belief in any organized religion, they're too selective.

There are seismic events daily and hourly that change the rotation and "wobble" of the earth. Just wait till the sun finally expands and starts to die :)
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Postby plebetkin » Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:45 am


it's the lesson learned or not learned that I'm worried about. Our school went to a lockdown before 9/11 because some outsiders entered and severly beat a student. Only the main entrance is unlocked during school hours. A guard was hired to patrol the halls and to sit at the main entrance to screen all who enter to make sure they had business in the school. I can understand those safety measures. Then 9/11 occurs, and we are issued identification tags with pictures to ensure that we belong (not the students though). THe patrol monitor is let go due to budget reasons, and no one checks id tags. So we are a diaster in waiting.

I understand that in safety issues, heightened awareness cannot be fully sustained over any length of time. However, if we use the past to learn lessons to prevent tragedy in the future, we need to ensure that protocols are worthy of implementing and that they are maintained over the long haul.

Bill Gates' foundation gave quite a lot of money to the tsunami victims also. As much as I don't always appreciate Microsoft, the gesture was indeed worthy. It's reassuring to know that in time of need, people do "chip" in.

On the local news last night, there was a warning of a scam. Some are putting out money collection containers for the tsunami victims, but the money is not going anywhere except local pockets. The warning was to donate to legitimate or known charities to lessen the risk of the money not being used to full advantage.
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Postby Grover1 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:47 am


Ross,
There are seismic events daily and hourly that change the rotation and "wobble" of the earth
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Me and Don Herbert, we would have no reason to doubt that ... just as we we have no doubt believing that just one in the last forty years ... provoked a 9+ on the Ricther scale .... that this one killed 150,000 or more, and that it'll be at least ten years, and probably a generation, before the area recovers from this ordeal.

... and I'll keep my heavy coat out of storage for when that sun thing occurs ...

All I was trying to say was that when an event is cataclysmic, so off the scale, so unfathomable, it becomes a little little self-serving for the likes of Sen Liberman to speak in the terms he now does.

A more parochial thinker might even venture to say this was off our radar becasue events like this don't happen in these georagphical parts (though some say maybe, in the Pacific Northwest in the ealy 1900's).

Steps will be taken now and not becasue of the good Senator from Connecticut. Things will happen because this tragedy now has a face and a location .. we can see it, feel it, and live it ... and we know what it can do.

Like 9/11 (but so unlike it as well) steps will be taken too insure the magnitude of this disaster wont be repeated. As if we can really control nature ...

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Postby wheland » Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:48 am


Here's some related info-

Here's a link to some info about the Tsunami that destroyed Scotch Cap Lighgthouse in the late 40's-

http://www.usc.edu/dept/tsunamis/alaska ... index.html

I was flipping through the channels yesterday and came upon a show doing a story on the Tsunami. it dealt with the fact that much of what we knew at first came from Web Blogs including some videos. not from the major media.

It also spoke of Tsunami Drills being brought back on the West coast in Washington and Oregon. Apparently they had done a story in 1998 about these drills.

The story yesterday included a reporter talking about his expreience during a Tsunami that hit Crescent city, CA (where Battery Point Lighgthouse is) after the Earthquake in Alaska in 1964.

They showed some photos of Crescent city, etc but no mention of the Battery Point or St George's Lighthouses.

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Postby Ross » Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:31 pm


Thanks for bringing us back, Dennis :)
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Postby Grover1 » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:45 am


To all,

"Googling" yesterday, found this page ...

http://www.drgeorgepc.com/

If you get past the bearded man soliciting funds for the continuation of his project, you'll find most everything you'll want to know about this natural phenomena.

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